User talk:PSUAvatar14/A Wiki Argument

I'm not angry with you
I figured I would let you know that I'm not angry with you for blocking me, it was your duty. The block is short - 50 days - and I can live with it. I just wanted to make sure that things were ok between us :) Could you do me a favor and delete the photos of evidence, but first email them to me at techfilmer@techfilmer.com ? Thanks! TechFilmer - Feel free to drop a message.


 * I deleted those photos last night TF. I'll e-mail them to you tomorrow. Btw, you should know Suzon got himself blocked. 02:49, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hold it
Stop, PSUAvatar14. You can't do that. You can't ban me for the actions of another. Do you realize what that guy is doing? He's trying to impose his views on everyone else! I don't even care about what my own stance on Korra is, you have to understand that he's the one trying to troll everyone else with his views. The block is unjustified, you shouldn't pass blame to me because of his actions.Fire Eater (talk) 02:06, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * First off FE, you can still reply on your message wall, so please take it there instead of dragging this onto another wiki that has nothing to do with AW. Secondly, you have no right to tell someone outright to leave the wiki. That's absolutely uncivil in every way. You were warned, you chose to remain uncivil. You may feel like you're being trolled, but you have never helped yourself because you too act out. That's the thing. 02:15, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

How? Every time I try, there's nothing to indicate that I can edit. Tell me how to do it if you insist on it.

PSUAvatar14, I will have you know that that nony was once again being a jerk once again to everyone on the wiki, not just myself, I was trying to end his crap. I will NOT be blamed for his actions. Maybe I am not in the position to tell him to leave, fine. But you're asking me to tolerate the trolling actions of someone who's clearly there for the purpose of aggravating everyone else on the wiki? PSUAvatar14, I question this new block you imposed on me. If you deal with me, then you deal with that pretentious nony, too.Fire Eater (talk) 03:56, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * You should be fine to reply to the block thread on your own message wall, that is not disabled.


 * FE, I am not asking you to tolerate his actions, I'm telling you to be civil. Demanding another user leave the wiki does not fall under being civil, no matter what the situation is. I don't see how he was being intimidating this time, he was trying to say ATLA was not better than LoK. You didn't have to respond to him, you never did. But you did, and you crossed the line. You breached civility time and time again even with the warnings you were given. I had warned the nony to be more civil, and tonight, he was. He just said "lok bested atlab". I understand you might take that as trolling, but, you crossed the line by telling him to leave the wiki. He is not at fault tonight for your uncivilized behavior. I also suggest you take KMP's message to heart.


 * When have comments gotten so serious that there must be massive inflammatory arguments on the rights of someone to state opposing viewpoints? When did it get to the point that people have now found the gall to threaten blocks over conflicts of interest? This is unacceptable. While you are away from the wiki, I sincerely urge you to rethink this position of intolerance - it will only cause you the most problems in the long run.

04:05, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Fine! Tell me how I can reply on that message (Which I CANNOT, since it's not letting me, honest to God), or let me just say I'm sorry, I won't continue with my actions and unblock me. Any more you want me to do in the meantime?Fire Eater (talk) 04:16, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * You sure you cannot go to the thread and type the reply; it's blocking you? Because it shouldn't be; I didn't disable the ability to reply on your message wall.


 * FE, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to release the block just because you say you're sorry. Again, take KMP's words to heart and let this be a wake-up call. You were warned plenty of times to stop and you didn't. Enough's enough. 04:21, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

NO, PSUAvatar14, I'm telling you you do NOT need to enforce this silly block. I will not repeat my actions if you unblock me, just do it and let me prove it! Fine, you and KMP are right, but let me prove I can get along alright, and again this incident is NOT solely my fault. Let me prove I can get along alright, give me that chance. I will not be made the enemy here. You probably hate me, fine. But I will not be made the enemy here, I was defending the folks on the wiki, not antagonizing them.

Yes, I cannot. I cannot get in a reply, I swear to God.Fire Eater (talk) 04:25, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why shouldn't I enforce the block? I told you why you were blocked. You say you won't repeat your actions? Okay - prove it to us - not just me - but prove it to the whole wiki community when the block's over. Right now, you've shown nothing to deserve another chance at this point. Every time I and others have given you that chance, you have gone right back to your uncivil ways. So yes, I will give you another chance - when the block ends. Prove yourself at that time, FE. For now, I am not rescinding this block on your demand.


 * I checked the block settings and they are not set so that you are unable to reply on your message wall. So I am not sure how to explain that. 04:32, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Because you jumped the gun, PSUAvatar14. You jumped the gun on this one. You guys will prosecute me but you won't prosecute the other obvious offenders! You're an admin, you should be enforcing all misuses of the wiki, NOT just mine. And this time I am not the one who was the provocative one first. Give me one more chance to prove it right now and if I act up again, set up the bloody block again, but give me a chance to prove it RIGHT NOW. I can be civil, but so long as you've blocked me, I can't prove that. Let me back on and show you. RESCIND IT.

Yeah well that forces me to rely on this until then, that certainly is not my fault it isn't working.

Rescind the block, LET ME PROVE I CAN BE CIVIL RIGHT NOW. Let me prove it, I am begging you to let me prove it! If you don't, then you're just as much in the wrong too.Fire Eater (talk) 04:37, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't work, sir. Something in your wiki isn't working. Anyone in your inner circle who can figure out what's up with it?Fire Eater (talk) 04:39, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * How many times do I have to tell you, FE? You were warned about uncivil behavior. You continued it. You told someone, outright, to leave the wiki. What kind of behavior is that? You've got to be kidding me if you think that's civil and not block-worthy. I did tell the nony to not antagonize you, so, I am enforcing all aspects of the wiki. Like I said, I will give you that one more chance when the block expires. Why should I rescind that right now when all you've done is go right back to the behaviors that got you into trouble in the first place? Just because you demand - and yes, at this point, you're basically demanding - another chance? Do you think being demanding is going to get you anywhere in any community? You haven't shown me - and probably anyone else - that you deserve a chance right now. That's my take on the subject. Honestly, do you think this attitude of "DO IT NOW, if you don't, you're wrong", is going to get you anywhere?


 * I'll ask the other admins about the message wall issue. 04:47, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think you are making a big mistake in not giving me another chance right now. Let me back on and let me show you I can be civil now, why should I wait a month to prove it to you? You might even be pleasantly surprised if you try it now, you have that power, give it a shot and see what happens and if at the first sign I act up again, reinstate the block. But I have no desire to be blocked twice in a row, this time for actions not provoked by me but by another unruly user. NOT my fault that nony decided to be a jerk about his views.Fire Eater (talk) 04:50, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Answer me this, FE, why should I give you another chance, right now, when all you've done after many past warnings is slip right back into the behavior that got you in trouble in the first place? I'm not willing to take a chance on that. I've shown the others this conversation, so maybe they will say something, but I can't guarantee anything. What is your fault is you tried to again suppress opinion by telling another user to leave the wiki. 04:56, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Because I give you my word! I give you my word that I won't act up again if you let me back on now. Honest to God, just let me prove it. Fine, I was wrong to tell a user to leave this wiki, but hey it's not like I was going to enforce it, I was trying to get him to drop his own bad attitude. Besides, that guy's been a thorn in my side for months, and nobody ever did anything about it. Look, I was wrong, okay? Fine, I was wrong, let me prove I can avoid being unruly again. And in case you misinterpreted my motivations, I was not going to enforce a forceful leave of the guy, I don't have that power! I was just trying to get him to stop being a nuisance. I won't repeat that behavior if you just let me back in.Fire Eater (talk) 05:01, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * FE, you've given your word before too. Okay, say no more of it you two, I'll try not to get set off like that again. Here.


 * You were trying to get him to change? That should not mean flipping out with angry messages telling him to "stop or leave the wiki". There's a fine line between telling someone to take it easy and telling them to basically shove off if they don't change. Honestly, I find it ironic that you're basically calling him out on the same stuff you have been doing. You called LoK Book 1 not canon, but also demanded Jon Jeong accepted The Search as canon. You tried to stifle everyone's discussion about Katara in LoK.


 * You will be let back on the wiki at some point, but I'm sorry, I am not willing to give you an immediate second chance given your past. As I told you, the other admins are now aware of this interaction. They may say something themselves in your favor, they may not. I can't guarantee anything at this point. For tonight, lay low, get some rest, and see what happens tomorrow. 05:11, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Fine, but we're not done talking. I will be back before you on this tomorrow. In the meantime, rethink your actions as an administrator this evening, I still say you jumped the gun WAY too soon, and reexamine that nony's behavior because he too is GUILTY. If you are going to punish me as harshly as you consistently have, then you should do the same to him for being as antagonistic as he has been. There's more than one guilty party mister, and you still have to get around to the other one! As an administrator, you should not be selective on the issues you decide to tackle.Fire Eater (talk) 05:17, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have examined the anon's behavior in the past, FE. So I'm not being selective. I have told him before that it's not right to antagonize other users. But tonight, I don't believe he did anything wrong. So I don't see anything to tackle. Once again, the other admins will be able to have their say, so I assure you, you will get a fair shake on this. Good night, and sleep well. 05:22, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah sure, the Wiki that was always terrified to hear any criticism whatsoever of the new series will give me a fair shake. That's a lot for me to invest my faith in. And yeah, the nony's not guilty? Step into my shoes one day and you might see things a little differently than that, you weren't even part of the argument. You think I was the only one blowing hot air. You'd be amazed who like the nony go around blowing hot air unchecked. I've dealt with them, and if you interacted with them, maybe you'd understand why I find myself unable to remain patient with their antics.

Yeah fine, all's well and good, sleep well and all's fine and dandy by the morning. Be content with that notion if you like, I'm still angry.Fire Eater (talk) 05:34, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay FE, if you want to reply on your message wall, try logging into your account and reply to the thread.


 * We are not terrified to hear your criticism. We never had any problem with your opinion of LoK. So you don't like the show, I'm sure you're far from the only one. You got in trouble because you tried to impose that opinion on the wiki, suppressed discussion and told someone outright to get off the wiki just because you had a problem with him. It doesn't matter what the situation is, that is not civil and we will not stand for it. The block stands. 12:11, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

STILL not working.

And I should believe that.....Why? None of you folks there were ever happy when I had something to say about it. And that little jackass comes in to take advantage of the drama by deliberately provoking me.

But I did not impose my views this time, I was trying to prevent him from doing the same thing! He was being an ass, forgive me if I was trying to do something good for the wiki, but you're too blind to see that. Prejudiced, is more like it! For you I'm just an easy target because you folks think I'm some asshole.

PSUAvatar14, I WILL be back on before June 7th because your block is illegitimate. You refuse to listen to reason, I doubt you'll "give me another chance" in June, you'll jump me again even when it's not legit! I'm NOT the guilty party here, I know I can't forcefully evict anyone, I was just giving that asshat something to think about. It won't stand because you were not fair in your actions either! You hear me? If you were as good an admin as you'd like to think you are, you'd just give me a chance now to prove that I can be civil and you'd see that I CAN BE. But no! You're too prejudiced.Fire Eater (talk) 13:46, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then contact Wikia, FE. Speak with them directly, because you should not be blocked from replying to that thread. You can find that contact form here.


 * FE, he wasn't trying to impose his opinions on anyone. He was trying to tell you that he thought LoK was better than ATLA. Then you made this claim of forcing his opinion on you - and btw, you know damn well you have done the same in the past - which is not true. You then told him to leave the wiki, and it doesn't matter what the behavior is, demanding someone leave the wiki - yes, you demanded he do so - is absolutely over the line and will not be tolerated. I've talked to the anon in the past, FE. I've also messaged others to not fan the flames. So I've been fair, don't start this garbage claim of prejudice.


 * Now then, further discussion of this will take place on Avatar Wiki, on your wall once Wikia clears up this mess. I will not continue this discussion here on the Game Shows Wiki, especially now that all we're doing is disrupting the community here. Contact Wikia about your wall issue. There will be no further discussion about this block here, only on AW. 14:00, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

FINE, I WILL.

Yes he WAS. On everybody.

Well you heard it pal, I made the claim and if you don't like it, it's you who let yourself be bothered by it. I think at this point it's okay for me to say that I do not trust you. Nor do I think you have conducted yourself well as an administrator. I am extremely bitter with you for being the one to impose both of these blocks, you shouldn't be getting back up in my affairs.

Yeah well good luck ignoring me! And never talk to me again when I get back on AW, because I don't like you, PSUAvatar14. I think you've failed as an administrator. I'm the older user, I don't need to take your orders.Fire Eater (talk) 14:07, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

CHILLAX!!!!!
Hate to break in, but chill out you guys! Couldn't you settle this arguement somewhere else? Like a chatroom or via e-mails?--William Henry Sydnor Jr. (talk) 14:14, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

No, this is between me and him, over his actions against me on another wiki.Fire Eater (talk) 14:16, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Kingofgameshows, don't worry, as I told FE, further discussion will not be held here. 14:20, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you would like to think so, wouldn't you PSUAvatar14? When I get back on the Avatar Wiki pal, remember this: I have no liking for you whatsoever, and you shouldn't talk to me anymore when I do return because I do not think you are honest in your actions or wise in your judgement, whatever respect I still had for you I have now lost. I know privately, you were all too happy to kick me out again at the first lame excuse you had open to you.Fire Eater (talk) 14:23, May 7, 2013 (UTC)